tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post6313328421371202730..comments2024-03-17T19:27:36.946-07:00Comments on Pits Perilous: RPGs Weren't Originally War-Games...Olde House Ruleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-68822329396700707152016-11-09T13:50:51.122-08:002016-11-09T13:50:51.122-08:00Tom, if you search the forums, (like ODD74) you...Tom, if you search the forums, (like ODD74) you'll find that's a much debated question. Really, it comes down to what kind of game you want to play. The 3lbb's can be played without CM, but the books themselves do expect the referee to have CM and adapt it's rules to the game, and doing so adds a certain richness. As to Arneson's use of dice, you might be interested in some of the posts I have on my 'blog Hidden in Shadows .DHBoggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170439175265397893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-22529004840147470392016-11-09T08:11:26.693-08:002016-11-09T08:11:26.693-08:00OD&D suggested that Chainmail be used, but pro...OD&D suggested that Chainmail be used, but provided an alternate system that quickly became the norm. Wesley's Braunstein used a 12-sided die (dodecahedron), although he seemed to enjoy the 2d6 we used for our Barons of Braunstein RPG. And yes, the d20 came later. As for war-games coincident with Braunstein, I'll have to ask Dave. Hope all of this helps!Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-89803547206250035632016-11-09T07:51:09.288-08:002016-11-09T07:51:09.288-08:00But is any game where you roll dice in situations ...But is any game where you roll dice in situations not covered by the rules a war-game? Even if there's no actual combat or emphasis on tactical movements and the like? I argue, and Wesley seems to believe, that something NEW emerged with his Braunstein game. It's a matter for debate.Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-39840188565385108952016-11-09T07:37:15.887-08:002016-11-09T07:37:15.887-08:00A big influence on his mind at the time was his ow...A big influence on his mind at the time was his own adaptation of Charles A. L. Totten's 1880's book "Strategos: A Series of American Games of War." Weseley condensed this into a set of Napoleonics rules callec Strategos N. The Strategos game relies on a referee, and that idea was part of what lead to the Braunstein experiment.DHBoggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170439175265397893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-53952695531485613972016-11-08T14:02:06.156-08:002016-11-08T14:02:06.156-08:00Very intersting. I wonder if you could comment mor...Very intersting. I wonder if you could comment more about Chainmail and to what mesure it was needed to play OD&D?<br />In Blackmoor, Arneson writes he started using a D20 to base his rulings. I assume it was after Wesley did his Braunsteins right?<br />Wheren't the Braunsteins also ocasion for wargame battles?<br />I find all those thngs interesting. Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08426094070954636496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-26192117231035718492016-11-08T12:13:04.914-08:002016-11-08T12:13:04.914-08:00I'm don't really follow the logic here. Ro...I'm don't really follow the logic here. Rolling dice to determine the outcome of a situation not covered by the rules is most certainly a tradition in wargaming. Hedgehobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17606283586332210195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-9978131939939259812016-11-08T11:59:28.608-08:002016-11-08T11:59:28.608-08:00Nothing specific. I'll definitely have to ask...Nothing specific. I'll definitely have to ask him about the Napoleonic system his group was playing prior to his little Braunstein experiment. He DID draw heavily upon his own knowledge and research into the period, clearly.Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-20913460575770437502016-11-07T18:12:08.394-08:002016-11-07T18:12:08.394-08:00Facinating. Did Wesley cite any sources for his g...Facinating. Did Wesley cite any sources for his game? He sounds like a great game master.Chris Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09226704397864485757noreply@blogger.com