tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post2262249873638472020..comments2024-03-17T19:27:36.946-07:00Comments on Pits Perilous: On D&D's Speciation Event...Olde House Ruleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-33520784743611714542021-03-19T15:09:43.324-07:002021-03-19T15:09:43.324-07:00Glad to have you back!Glad to have you back!Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-65864199986975266242021-03-19T12:14:51.447-07:002021-03-19T12:14:51.447-07:00100% agree. I tried to enjoy 3e, I really did, but...100% agree. I tried to enjoy 3e, I really did, but it left such a bad taste in my mouth I left the hobby and did not return to D&D until I discovered the OSR nearly 12 years later.<br /><br />And yes, I am a dino too.matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04998881232495777586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-54618021041438012122021-03-15T15:07:39.484-07:002021-03-15T15:07:39.484-07:00hahahhahahJack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-89348036678770058312021-03-04T21:14:10.414-08:002021-03-04T21:14:10.414-08:00I guess it's better than being a fossil...I guess it's better than being a fossil...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-15102076182968844392021-03-04T11:12:54.730-08:002021-03-04T11:12:54.730-08:00I AM a dinosaur.I AM a dinosaur.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-41907558545357268002021-03-04T08:36:39.773-08:002021-03-04T08:36:39.773-08:00Lol! I'm definitely a dinosaur...Lol! I'm definitely a dinosaur...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-46338592408316694452021-03-04T08:36:20.323-08:002021-03-04T08:36:20.323-08:00That could very well be...That could very well be...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-52827167630213554992021-03-04T05:35:47.015-08:002021-03-04T05:35:47.015-08:00Are you saying that old D&D players are dinosa...Are you saying that old D&D players are dinosaurs?Jack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-10498762111633638942021-03-03T22:01:47.088-08:002021-03-03T22:01:47.088-08:00I can go along with your thesis but I think WOTC c...I can go along with your thesis but I think WOTC coast threw the meteor themselves with the invention of Magic cards and how they sucked up most of the hobby's cash outlay for a couple years. The lumbering organism led by Lorraine Williams just was unable to adapt.ligehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866236293322652977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-37080384928799740362021-03-03T13:46:38.507-08:002021-03-03T13:46:38.507-08:00Great points, and that case can surely be made. I ...Great points, and that case can surely be made. I consider OD&D incremental because the changes, however extensive, didn't happen all at once. The four supplements came one at a time (although Greyhawk and Blackmoor were close on each other's heels), and the Dragon articles came in monthly installments over the course of several years. Even the way the game was being played at the time wasn't an instantaneous phenomenon, but the culmination of disparate experiences and best practices adopted over time. Moreover, these changes still referenced the original core rulebooks, which were still required to play. Most changes had direct contact with their metaphorical predecessors, and there was considerable overlap. Even the AD&D hardcovers were released incrementally, once a year through 1980, and mapped back to OD&D (meaning core rules plus supplements) pretty directly in most instances...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-89181296590878147732021-03-03T10:37:05.661-08:002021-03-03T10:37:05.661-08:00It's different game alright, and being able to...It's different game alright, and being able to work out a suitable compromise is perhaps the most old-school thing of all...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-86351571961941618812021-03-03T10:19:29.530-08:002021-03-03T10:19:29.530-08:00I have a 5e player at my table and the expectation...I have a 5e player at my table and the expectations that he brings are quite different than the baseline assumptions of old school play.<br /><br />He’s a good player and a personal friend so we’ve worked out a (sometimes awkward) middle ground. But it’s almost certainly a different game he’s playing.mjuliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09710248588764690217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-2409347558168068702021-03-02T19:13:16.981-08:002021-03-02T19:13:16.981-08:00IMNSHO AD&D and OD&D were quite different ...IMNSHO AD&D and OD&D were quite different species too. It wasn't just a matter of organisation, but an active change to a game more in line with what Gygax wanted the game to be. The changes were not incremental at all and there was a definite shift in philosophy and the fundamental nature of the beast.<br /><br />And I'd go so far to say that Unearthed Arcana marked another separation of the trajectory between Gygax's new vision (his vision of the game had changed over the years) and the game that most people were playing at the time, and it was a branch that most people didn't take (especially considering the lack of commercial success of the product and how it rapidly faded from the zeitgeist, except amongst Gygaxian fanboys). It really does stick out like a swollen appendix in the evolutionary line.<br /><br />I suspect that this was heavily aided at the time by BECMI (and the later Rules Cyclopedia), which actually offered a vision more in line with the original OD&D (although it was still a thing of its own), which had a profound influence of play at the time (mid to late 80s), something I suspect was also a component for the production of the second edition (along with pure commercial reasons and the effect of the thing TSR refused to acknowledge with a passion [that there were other games than D&D in existence, and they were winning awards that D&D wasn't]). And it marked a change in the game as well, such as the addition of non-weapon proficiencies which increased the shift from the player focus that Gygax championed to a more character-based focus.<br /><br />It also marked a distinct fade in the direct influence Gygax had over the game, although this also manifested as a lack of vision in the game and the production of more and more supplementary materials such as the survival guides and player options. He was pushed more and more in the background as the venerable oracle providing "Sage Advice."<br /><br />Reverance Pavanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01217657347160811310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-39124467691077729492021-03-02T15:22:28.102-08:002021-03-02T15:22:28.102-08:00Thanks for the kind words, friend!Thanks for the kind words, friend!Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-73727695541892926772021-03-02T15:11:42.684-08:002021-03-02T15:11:42.684-08:00This is an excellent thoughtful piece James. Thank...This is an excellent thoughtful piece James. Thank you. And, for what it's worth, I think you're right.Jon Salwayhttp://alandbeyondbeyond.comnoreply@blogger.com