tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post3701933561174821139..comments2024-03-29T03:50:14.118-07:00Comments on Pits Perilous: The Orcish Enlightenment...Olde House Ruleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-39361679444347075422020-08-02T10:19:05.537-07:002020-08-02T10:19:05.537-07:00It seems our whole hobby has been problematic at t...It seems our whole hobby has been problematic at times...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-89446288587329526992020-08-02T10:18:18.586-07:002020-08-02T10:18:18.586-07:00Yeah, it's last month's controversy for su...Yeah, it's last month's controversy for sure; but there's always a good time to debate something as ubiquitous as orcs in our fantasy games...Olde House Ruleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672388784118015345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-33779646940617442152020-07-30T21:43:32.791-07:002020-07-30T21:43:32.791-07:00This conversation seems to be degenerating but I t...This conversation seems to be degenerating but I think your point 1 makes a lot of sense. The way orcs (and all the other humanoids) in AD&D are presented are as a tribal people with women and children and villages who also just happen to be evil - though they tend to live in marginal areas and pretty much do the same things the PCs do. So when the player characters go in and kill them all in their homes it feels a little weird to me and has for a long time. If you want to have orc like inimical beings - what you propose in your first point makes a lot of those issues go away, or if your goblins are closer to fairy tale magical tricksters, or you go with a Harn like origin, or? ligehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866236293322652977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-51819963784187323552020-07-29T10:21:22.088-07:002020-07-29T10:21:22.088-07:00White conservative liberals are wrong. Orcs can be...White conservative liberals are wrong. Orcs can be inherently evil in a game without that making you a racist, they are the racists, they regard themselves the saviors of all peoples in the world, fuck them!<br /><br />We non-american, non-white people, don't need to be saved by the white police, we despise those people, they are almost as bad as regular bigos, their racism is just as disgusting but they think they are in the right! They're wrong.<br /><br />But they insist they, the white, must saves us, the non-white. They see us as inferiors as the regular bigots see us. No matter how friendly their racism is, it's still racism.<br /><br />Inherently evil races in a fantasy game is not as different as inherently evil russians in classic cold war fiction, Americans just love to deny their racism and hatred. They say, "I am not a racist, I will vote Joe Biden". Joe Biden is as racist as Trump, motherscrewers, if not worse. We outside USA know it, and American in USA know it, and that's why they will vote Biden, because in the end, they don't want things to change, they love their status quo, that status quo which has its foundation on slavery.Vagabundork (Chaos Magick-User)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10945302216491852035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-83913590792839303692020-07-28T15:46:04.370-07:002020-07-28T15:46:04.370-07:00This is just another foothold leftists are using t...This is just another foothold leftists are using to screw with our beloved hobby. I usually don't include orcs in my D&D campaign... but I will now, and those bastards will be evil, by God!<br />Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4372464286852637246.post-36096282083303830602020-07-28T15:20:04.909-07:002020-07-28T15:20:04.909-07:00Orcs cannot be unproblematic.
Orcs represent prec...Orcs cannot be unproblematic. <br />Orcs represent preciselly the view that each culture has from different cultures of one.<br />Germanic tribes viewed romans as their Orcs, and they were Orcs to romans: they represent people with customs that we cannot or want not to integrate. <br /><br />It is not bad to see this as evil: If some bug-like anthropomorphic alien race wanted to invade the earth, we'd probably mark them as Orcs and defend ourselves against their invasion. But their terrible nasty customs would be OK to them. <br /><br />Orcs are simply another version for "the archetypal others". For an antifa maybe they embody the riot policemen. For a common XXI century person they embody the nazis. It is not weird that leftists think that racists can view orcs as black people or any similar metaphor.<br /><br />Every ideology I guess that has an "other" that can be embodied by orcs because "they are so dumb to comprehend our flawless ideology or adopt our correct customs"<br /><br />But even if they see them as evil, nobody can deny that both Riot Police or Nazis, or members of any race, had feelings, and were capable of being loving husbands, fathers or friends, having a good concept of themselves and a reason to do what they do, etc.<br /><br />Is not bad to have orcs. Is just that if they do not confront the "PCs side correct morals or status quo" they cease to be orcs as archetype, even if they are orcs by raceJack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.com